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Dring Dingle
Polaris Rising
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:19:00 -
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Soooo, I fully expect to be flamed over this but going to post it anyway.
I was considering the greifing that goes on especially in high sec space when one mega alliance or corp decides to hunt and kill people who dont have any interest in fighting or simply dont have the numbers/skill. (Annnd yes like it or not these people are part of eve and make up a portion of this community)
Was thinking maybe of 2 solutions to this...
1) Security Status..
We have average faction status's for putting down pos's etc etc. why not give corps an average sec status?
What good is this you say?
Given a level of AVERAGE sec status should a corp be invulnerable to war decs?
Remembering that building up sec status takes quite along time, (especially if you are in high sec) and not only this, every member of said corp must conduct himself in a way that is law abiding. start "engaging" in unlawful pvp either suicide ganking, or in low sec affects your sec status. and will affect the corps.
If the corp starts declaring war on another then they are open to wars from everyone.
The highest a sec status can go is currently 5... (ive been told it used to go up to 10? tho not sure if that's true) if the "un-deckable" corp minimum was set at the equivalent to access to lvl 5's etc etc. (8 ??) should that corp not deserve the right to be invulnerable to greifing! (i cant stress this enough... GREIFING!) where wars are just stupidly unbalanced and normally against new player friendly corps...perhaps there's a corp size limit or this *average sec status* doesn't apply to a corp in to an alliance.
(A slight spin on this is that the attacking corp must have a higher average sec status..... it would be difficult to keep high with all the trigger happy members of an alliance/corp)
2) NPC Stations.
Fighting wars in High security space is very frustrating. Often or not if there is a potential for loss the targets are either docking up or you are the ones docking up waiting for reinforcements. I propose that if a corp or alliance is flagged as AT WAR, then the only Npc stations they can dock at are the ones where either they OWN AN OFFICE, or have some kind of sufficient STANDING with that NPC corp. (what friendly going NPC stations wants to harbor war targets they dont know?!)
This effectively would give mega alliances a bit of a head ace, they wouldnt be able to take on SO many wars at once. only through fear of been out numbered somewhere where they cant just hide.. (I lean more towards the alliance standings/corps for a station rather than having an office) might lead to them using more posses etc etc (PLAYER CONTENT = BEST CONTENT) but people logging on to ship spin because they are too loyal to drop corp is just silly.
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*DISCLAIMER*
- I have tried High sec warfare - though i didnt like hunting mining barges
- I do not live in high sec. (not anymore) I live in nul. its great. I love pvp (not very good at it xD). but recently i started training my covert cyno alt and stuck him back in one of my old mining corps. To catchup with some old friends and chat to some new people while I wait the month or two. The guys got war deced... no skin of my teeth, i just bailed again.
BUT the poor majority of the players were NEW or very young (they cant mount a defense!).... and alot of the time they disband and never come back.
Corporations are where friends are made. Loyalties lie, and where often age old friendships result it good content < (totally relevant...)
Being in a corporation shouldn't depend on your ability to fire guns at other players, its a big part of eve yes.... but not the only part. And like it or not most of you started out in high sec as did I, everyone needs time to learn and skill up without ridiculously terrible odds every time they decide to undock if they have been war deced.
Flame Away :P
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Dring Dingle
Polaris Rising
Gentlemen's Agreement
41
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:46:00 -
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Mag's wrote:War dec griefers? I think you're playing the wrong game.
Look this is a sandbox, PvP centric game. This means you can play how you want to play within it's rules and hopefully succeed in whatever you do. But this also means that others can play within the games rules, to try and stop you. What you are asking for, is to turn this sandbox into a themepark.
It's already ridiculously easy to avoid war decs.
So no, no thanks.
Well ok sure you can aviod them if you want to leave your corp...
but what about the second option? Decers not being able to doc up anywhere? |
Dring Dingle
Polaris Rising
Gentlemen's Agreement
41
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:48:00 -
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Soylent Jade wrote:OP, your idea is terrible.
There are so many ways you can be "griefed" without a wardec. BTW, it really wouldn't take a corp of dedicated griefers or mercs long to grind up to 5.0 status. Just off the top of my head, how you could be griefed without a war dec:
--- They can bump your miners, or target your rocks with their own miners.
--- They can probe down your mission runners and kill your rats and/or loot and salvage your wrecks.
--- They could still suicide gank you with neutral alts (so their corp "average" sec status doesn't take a hit).
The bonus would be that you couldn't war dec them or hire someone else to do it since their average sec status could (fairly easily) be 5.0, since according to your "rules", you have to have a higher sec status than the corp you dec.
The solution to your problem is to HTFU.
What about the second option then?! dont read halfway. and ignore the rest.... |
Dring Dingle
Polaris Rising
Gentlemen's Agreement
41
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:56:00 -
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.. The premise that people dont hide behind stations in loosing situations... YEaaaahhhhh reallly false. |
Dring Dingle
Polaris Rising
Gentlemen's Agreement
41
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Posted - 2013.07.17 13:02:00 -
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Soylent Jade wrote:Dring Dingle wrote:What about the second option then?! dont read halfway. and ignore the rest.... I did read the whole thing, but the 2nd part was even dumber. Only being able to dock in friendly stations wouldn't be much of an issue to a corp of PvPers that prey on carebears...it's not like they'd ever be running from a corp of newbro industrialists. They'd all probably have sufficient skills to run lvl 4 missions for a few days to get sufficent standings with hi sec empires to have docking rights in many systems, any way. Besides, that would work both ways...a station isn't going to let war targets of a group of blood-thirsty mercs dock at their stations, so the newbie/small corp war targets would also have to grind standings with different factions to be able to dock at their stations while being war targets. In fact, if the stations had to choose sides, they would be more likely to let a group of battle hardened mercs dock. Remember, these people aren't criminals...they are in a legal, sanctioned war with another corp.
The defending corp that hasnt made it mutual would not be under the same affect..... |
Dring Dingle
Polaris Rising
Gentlemen's Agreement
41
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Posted - 2013.07.17 13:30:00 -
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Sorry i thought you were referring directly to the second option.
haha... point still stands tho. and as a result the decing of large groups with less options to dock up.... it could result in less harassment. wither way we got there through discussion... which im pretty sure is the sole function of forums... 
lets not argue about my argument. it will go in circles  |
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